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[00:00:22] Speaker B: Welcome to we the People. I am Alina Gonzalez Dacre.
And tonight two regimes are learning the same lesson the hard way. You can't arrest reality.
In Venezuela, US forces carried out a well orchestrated mission that removed Nicolas Maduro from power. And the Venezuelan people are celebrating.
And in Iran, protests are growing again.
12 days now. Why? Because people hit a breaking point. The streets are speaking.
Here's the common sense truth. When a government survives on fear, corruption and propaganda, it can look stable right up until it isn't. Venezuela is what it looks like when the top cracks. Iran is what it looks like when the people refuse to break.
In the first three segments of this show, we're going to focus on Venezuela, the operation, the moment, and discuss the aftermath.
Then we'll get to Iran and what these protests tell us about the regime's strength and its biggest fears.
I'm going to be careful with the facts because there's a fog of war and a fog of propaganda at the same time.
So when something is confirmed, I'll say it's confirmed. When it's still developing, I'll say it that too.
First and foremost, give credit to the US forces.
It was flawless, phenomenal and extremely impressive.
This operation was not chaos, it was not random, it was not spray and pray.
It was disciplined, it was focused, it was coordinated, it was orchestrated to perfection and it was decisive.
Four hours.
That is what it took for our military to go into Caracas, into Maduro's safe camp meant one of the most heavily guarded encampments with Cuban and Venezuelan military and secret security.
And they were able to get Maduro without one US fatality.
And I'm going to say something that should be a common sense in America. When our people, when our US military do their jobs with precision and professionalism, we should be proud, we should be extremely proud of our men and women in the military.
You can argue politics later, you can debate strategy later, but you don't cheapen competence because it doesn't fit somebody's narrative. And we're seeing that all too often on the media as well as from politicians in Washington.
Taking Maduro out is a moment, a moment that should be relished.
But removing one man doesn't automatically remove the system that kept him in power. That very same system that Hugo Chavez instituted with.
Tyrants like Maduro run on control of the Security forces, control of the money, control of the resources, control of the media, and control of fear.
So yes, Maduro is out. But the next question is what? What fills the vacuum and what role will the US play in that vacuum?
The celebration is the real referendum, the clearest signal that what has occurred in Venezuela isn't cast in the ballot box. It isn't because of the bullet shot. It was cast in the street.
When people pour out to celebrate the removal of a leader around the world, Venezuelans were crowding to the streets in celebration. That is what tells you everything you need to know about the mandate that this regime is needed to be ousted.
Yes, Venezuela, with its massive oil wealth should not have families living in desperation unless the system is designed only to enrich the rulers and trap the people, which is what has happened in Venezuela.
That's not bad luck by them. It's not because of lack of education. It's because of the orchestration of those on top dictating to those on the bottom where they were work, what they will eat, what they can buy.
So for those of you who think socialism is such a great thing, realize that that Venezuelans would go to the grocery store, put their thumbprint on a machine, and the and the manager of the grocery store will give them a list of what items they're allowed to buy.
And also, it's not about the embargo. It's not the sanctions. This goes beyond sanctions and embargoes. And it's not a mismanagement by government. It is because the Hugo Chavez regime that Maduro was the successor to literally took all of the resource, all of the money for themselves and nothing for the people. Nothing for the common people.
They were nothing, mere pawns and slaves.
That is the model that Fidel Castro created in Cuban. That is the model that Fidel Castro fed to other countries. And that is why Venezuela is where it is.
So when the state becomes the economy, the people become collateral. When politics replaces production, shortages replace opportunity. When corruption becomes policy, poverty becomes permanent.
And then the regime tells the world this is normal. This is the US's fault because of the embargo. This is because of the sanctions placed on Venezuela. No, this is pure corruption, tyranny.
Those people celebrating on the streets all over the world, you see them in New York, you see them in Miami, you see him in the streets in Venezuela and Caracas, in Madrid.
That is telling you, that is telling the world what is normal is freedom.
It is normal that they have hope.
And that is what needs to be celebrated.
The people celebrating the streets are telling you, this is our normal, this is our voice, these are our desires, and it's not to be under a corrupt regime.
And one more point that matters because it's going to matter in the aftermath.
There are credible report, credible reports that Cuban personnel were involved on the security side of this regime. That is not a surprise. Cuba has infiltrated and been a part of the Hugo Chavez regime since the beginning.
It's a playbook that Fidel has always orchestrated and envisioned.
Authoritarian regimes don't just trade oil and money. They trade tactics, intelligence and repression.
So when you hear Venezuela, don't think it's isolated. Think alliances, think networks, think who benefits from keeping this country and its people locked down. Because I'm going to tell you right now, you're going to look across the ocean to Iran, China and Russia and yes, Cuba. That's who is being supported by this and all of those narco terrorist groups.
And before anybody says it, there have been sites of Hezbollah training in Venezuela. This is, this is a security risk for all of the Americas, not just us.
So now what happens next?
Well, Marco Rubio basically has a plan, but let's talk about the possibilities. First, one, an orderly transition. Security forces hold the line and the country moves towards a legitimate leadership where the current top regime, which includes the interim president, find some place to go get amnesty and some other country. And yes, they'll probably take fortune with them, but that still leaves the Venezuelan people to have a democratically elected president, vice president, and to rebuild their nation.
Another possibility, a power vacuum. Factions fight, criminal networks expand, and ordinary people pay the price.
Or the third, a regime rebrand. Same machine, new face, new slogans, same oppression, or even worse, because that is what could possibly happen.
See, one of the things is, is that the hope is that within one year, and Margo said it, that the transition will occur over time. But one thing is for sure, it cannot be beyond the Trump's presidency, as there is no assurances that the next president will continue to keep their foot on the throat of this regime to get them out.
See, this benefits the people. It also benefits all the other countries in South America, Central America, and yes, to the US because it is security, because we cannot be secure when you have China, Iran and Russia who have given billions of dollars to this regime to be at our back door, to be our neighbor.
So first, let's celebrate this moment. Let's say thank you to our military for being so inspiringly perfect in their mission.
I am not celebrating my. What some people think that we're going to go in there and take over Venezuela? No, I am celebrating that the Venezuelan people are having hope, hope for a future.
I am not naive about the aftermath. This is going to be a long road. However, for this very moment, let's celebrate with Venezuela. Let's celebrate with the people and say yes, there are tears flowing of joy because they can breathe and their voices are out there.
And with the celebration, we have to remember the next question is the only question that matters right now.
Who controls the guns, the money, the oil in the streets in Venezuela today?
We will discuss this and more in our next segment. We're going to take a quick commercial break. Tune right back in.
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Segment one was the moment.
Now comes the part that decides the future, what happens next.
And we're dealing with a new interim reality.
And the key question is will this interim reality be permanent or will there be actual change and relief and liberation for Venezuela.
So what's being reported? Maduro's vice president Del Rodriguez has been sworn in as interim leader and President Trump has signed signaled approval of that arrangement.
Now is he stated is so that there would be stability as there is a transition.
In other words, to prevent complete chaos for civil war or coups.
So let's be adults about this and not be vitriolic and hate like I've seen on other social media platforms.
And this is not a Disney ending. We are not going to get the magic slipper put on and the Venezuelan people are free and everybody gets to have a party.
This is a high risk transition where the priority is preventing Venezuela from collapsing into chaos for bringing order, peace and democracy back to the Venezuelan people.
But first and foremost, order comes first.
If you don't have order, you don't have elections. If you don't have order, you don't have food to distribute. If you don't have order, you don't have the proper medical hospitals and medical needs being taken care of. If you don't have order, the people suffer.
When there is Disorder. When there is chaos, you have gangs, you have militias, you have cartels.
So if the US Is back in an interim structure, right now the obvious question is what's the goal and what are the guardrails?
So expect in the next 30 to 90 days, lockdown of critical infrastructure, oil facilities, ports, airports, telecom, a scramble inside the security services, promotions, purges, loyalty tests, information warfare.
Rebrand versus legitimacy, a battle over money. Because whoever controls cash flow controls this country. And that's one of the reasons why they've kept the vice president. Then you see, Del C. Rodriguez was the head of the oil industry for Venezuela. Remember, they nationalized that.
See, prior to Hugo Chavez, it was the American companies, Chevron, Exxon that created the refineries in oil and the oil pumps and stuff in Venezuela. And then Hugo Chavez took it off from them and this woman was in charge of it.
So the rebrand is, if they, if there is not a transition out, if we cannot force them out, and nobody wants a war with Venezuela.
But legitimacy, that is what is needed.
Legitimacy like what we were hopeful for in 2024 when the Venezuelan people overwhelmingly elected Gonzalez as president. Maria Corina Machado, our Nobel Peace Prize winner, as vice president.
So now the question is, where does Machado fit?
Why is she not just being plucked into the role?
Because it does look to those that are not in the know as if she's being frozen out.
Maria Corina Machado is widely recognized as the leading opposition figure in Venezuela and she has a real base of support among the people.
But the question is not is she popular or whether she has the majority of people behind her.
The question is, how does Maria Corina Machado convert popular support into governing authority in a transition being managed, at least for now, through an interim structure that is very much still the old regime.
Because remember, the military is still that old Chavez Maduro regime.
Everything under the security, everything under the military. The same military that was there for the coup, that were, that allowed the refusal of the people's choice to take power, to take their seat in government.
So we need to watch for how, what are going to be the negotiations in removing this current, this Rodriguez, the regime, the military head honchoes. We're not talking about the, the, the, the troops on the, on the ground. We're talking about the generals, those that are in charge, the power brokers. We're gonna have to see what deals are going to be made to allow them to extract. Because as much as we would all love for them to be put on to trial and face punishment, Especially by the, by the people. Most likely what is going to occur is going to, is going to be very similar to what occurred in Panama when we took out Noriega.
And then we need a clear election timeline.
A timeline so that one allows Maria Corina Machado to go back to Venezuela safely.
Trust me. Remember, she was in hiding because they were trying to kill her.
So those same assassins are still out there.
A unity coalition that can actually govern. That is the key. Keeping the streets energized without lighting the country on fire, without there being coups, without there being chaos. You want seamless, you want validity, you want the people's voices heard.
And so this is where Marco Rubio, our Secretary of State plan comes into existence.
See Marco, he described a three part process.
Stability first, recovery second, transition third.
Stability means security in basic order. Get through the case of pucky plucky Maduro, start getting the negotiations in and the plans in on where you're going to extract this regime.
Recovery means restarting the economy so people can live, so the people of Venezuela can reap the benefits of what has been stolen from them by Chavez and continue to be stolen by Maduro in this current regime.
And transition means legitimate leadership, not just a new face on the same system, which some would say is this Rodriguez woman.
And let's face it, Rodriguez is doing all the virtuous virtue, signaling to the socialist, to the people in charge, basically saying that she's giving the, you know, the chin action to the US that everything there. But she knows very well that if she does not comport to what the US does, we will strike again.
How can you not think that? Look what we just did.
And that we'll discuss Congress on another day.
So we also have to beware of the trap. And that is the rebrand of this regime.
The world will be tempted to accept this brand new government under this new president and everything will be fine under her. When it's basically all the same network, it's the same people in control. It's the same puppet masters pulling the strings that she is not a new person, a fresh breath. She is of the same. The thing is that she was the lesser of two evils.
She just may have better PR and just rebranding this Machado, I mean, excuse me, Maduro Chavez regime, that's not freedom.
Thus persecution continue for the people of Venezuela.
So the standard has to be simple. Political prisoners are being released and they must all be released.
Censorship must be rolled back.
Allow the people. And thank you, Elon Musk, for bringing in Your starlink to the people so that they can have freedom of Internet and freedom of of of ability to talk to family members and get news from all over the world.
Corruption must be prosecuted but perhaps we need to swallow that that sour pill in order for the freedom to go forward.
And then we absolutely need a real path to election and a safe installation of those duly elected president, vice president and their administration and then to continue the democracy, to continue the growth and stability and economic flow within Venezuela to be able to free the people of the burden and be able to reap abundance and prosperity if America supports an interim arrangement demand measurable benchmarks, transparency on aid and money, a crackdown on narco networks, a clear timeline toward legitimate elections. This is not a blank check opportunity. Those days are long gone. We have seen that the people of the United States do not like that look back on on what is occurring last administration.
The interim swearing in matters but the only question that matters more in this is Venezuela moving toward real freedom. Are they really going to be free and liberated or is this just a new manager for the same corrupt machine?
Why this matters is the US security and that is what's coming up next. We're going to take a quick break, join me and we're going to discuss security for the U.S.
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Welcome back.
For those of you just tuning in my name is Alina Gonzalez T. I'm your hostess of we the people and we are discussing what has occurred in Venezuela and the change and in the first segment we were talking about joining in the celebration the joy of the people, the relief of being like the chains, the proverbial chains being ripped off of them.
And now the question is why it matters to the U S Security. Why does a free democratic Venezuela removing the head of the Chavez Maduro regime is so important.
See Venezuela is not just a foreign story. I mean literally it's not like oh well it's over there. It really doesn't affect us. Actually it's right here next door neighbor.
When a regime like that of Venezuela, like that of Maduro becomes a criminal enterprise and he was a criminal enterprise, it becomes a platform for money laundering, intelligence operations, influence campaigns and for adversaries who want to get closer to us and do us harm.
Terrorist organizations.
Iran back terrorist Hamas and Hezbollah training in Venezuela, Russia, China those were all risk to our very own security.
So let me steam steel man the objection before the usual people start yelling and the vitriol starts towards me and criticize.
This is not about police in the world.
I do not believe that The United States should police the world. And I think we have plenty of historic facts and basis to say we should not be policed in the world.
And this is also not about nation building because the one thing our military was not created to do was to be occupiers. We're not good at that either.
And this is definitely not about writing blank checks to another country for endless wars or endless aid because the people are fed up with that.
This Venezuela, taking out Maduro, forcing and ensuring, and that's going to be the key, ensuring a change in, in taking out the regime and getting democratic elected leaders back into play. For Venezuel, it truly is something much simpler. And no, it's not just for the oil. And yes, we're going for the oil. Of course we're going for the oil. Let's get over it, okay?
We have created rigs and refiners here in the United States to process the heavier crude of Venezuela. But that's not even a simple matter.
Put simply, you don't let hostile power set up shop next door and then act surprised when it becomes our problem.
Because people, we have already been gobscot. For those that are too young to remember we had 9, 11.
For those of the baby boomers or older age that remembers the Cuban Missile Crisis. You don't allow your enemies to be within knocking distance of your back door.
A Venezuela capture by authoritarian networks is a forward operating base in our hemisphere.
And the three main players that matter here are China, Russia and Iran.
Ironically, when Maduro was taken out along with his wife, he was just meeting with dignitaries of China to further their plans and deals with.
And let's get something straight.
China, Russia and Iran, they don't care about Venezuelans, they don't care about the people.
They care about leverage, access, ports, infrastructure, communications, energy and influence close to the United States.
China invests, finances, bills, and then the bill comes due. Independence.
A broken regime trades away the future of its country.
And Beijing is more than happy to take. They have invested billions of dollars in this regime.
Russia.
Russia doesn't need Venezuela to thrive.
Russia needs Venezuela to destabilize, to be that pesky thorn in someone's foot, to be that, that stone. The friction with the US Propaganda opportunities, intelligence, relationships, infiltration, and let's face it, infiltrating the minds of the young people to accept and think that our country is bad.
Iran.
Iran's specialty is asymmetric power networks. How do you think it has been able to successfully create so many different terrorist organizations if Iran can Build logistics, financing pathways in coordination with China and Russia and influence in this hemisphere that is a direct threat to our security, to our peace, to our very own lives.
So we cannot waste this open opening.
With Maduro removed, the question still says, do we secure the opening or do we let hostile networks reconstitute under a new label?
If the machine stays intact, this threat stays intact, and it may even increase.
So of course we need to continue to keep our foot on the throat of this regime to force a change.
We must be firm. We can't be fantastical.
A smart posture looks like this.
Treat Venezuela like a strategic theater, not a charity project.
Target illicit finance and corrupt intermediaries. Go after those narcotic gangs and narco terrorists.
Protect critical infrastructure from becoming a Chinese or Russian asset. That is the oil, the minerals.
Make it harder for Iranian influence networks to operate.
Support a transition that produces legitimacy for the people.
That is what is needed. And my hope is that with the fact that this regime has seen what can be done with our military and joint law enforcement operations, that they too now know that they can be taken out just as easily. And taken out doesn't mean killed. Okay, there's been no assassination.
But we have shown that we can orchestrate a mission and go in and control it and come out with the object in hand.
And this is also a time for us to realize, as free countries, as free countrymen, to look to the fact that liberation, democracy, and freedom are knocking at everyone's door.
We are seeing some major changes. We started seeing some last year, but this year, I mean, we're not even to. Not even a full week into the new year. And this is happening so we can see true change. And wouldn't that be amazing? Because here's the key difference of Venezuela versus, say, Cuba.
Because people are saying, well, why don't they do that with Cuba? And it's not because Cuba doesn't have oil.
Venezuela has only been under a communist tyranny, tyrannical terrorist regime for 26 years.
People still know what it was like to be democratic, to have a constitution, to have constitutionally elected representatives. They remember what it was like to be thriving and free. Unfortunately, they bought into the Fidel playbook.
But again, Hugo, much like Fidel Castro, backstabbed the people of Venezuela by doing exactly what he promised he wouldn't do.
But with Cuba, the big difference is with Cuba is that Cuba has been under this regime and this tyrannical control for 60, 66 years.
It's going to be more difficult.
But also with the Falling of Venezuela, people expect the government to finally topple in Cuba.
Venezuela matters because Venezuelans deserve freedom. They deserve to be able to express their voice out in the streets without persecution.
Despite what some people claim that we're having here in the US we still had the ability to speak out and criticize our government. We had the ability to speak, say what we would like.
The Venezuelans deserve that too. The Venezuelans deserve to have their elections upheld, democracy reign.
But it also matters because America cannot afford hostile powers building leverage in our very own backyard.
And the the more tethers we break with these, this three, this axis of three, his mind you remind you they, Iran, China and Russia are trying to create their own currency. They're infiltrating all through Africa and parts of Latin America with Venezuela. This is a key component in breaking that and it also brings us to Iran.
So when we come back after this commercial break, we're going to discuss Iran and the protests that have been occurring for the past 12 days and what happens when fear stops working on the people.
Tune right back in for more on we the People.
Iran.
Have you been seeing what is going on in Iran?
Historic protests and a regime at stake.
What we're watching is not a news cycle.
It is a legitimacy crisis for the Ayatollah's regime that has been extremely oppressive to the people of Iran, especially the women.
Why? This is huge.
These protests are huge for one reason. Above all, they are not asking for a policy change. They are challenging the regime's right to rule. They are demanding their liberation, their freedom from an oppressive, extreme Islamic state.
When people are risking imprisonment, torture and death just to chant in the street, that's a population saying, we would rather face the consequences than keep living the lie. This is basically, I shall die so that I may have life in this country so that others may live.
That is what we're seeing. We are seeing true bravery by these people.
Iran is one of the hardest environments on earth to verify in real time.
The regime lies, intimidates, it persecutes families, people who speak out against the Ayatollah. I mean, just remember a few years ago, they, the police picked up that poor woman because her hijab wasn't on. Correct. And, and murdered her, beat her to death.
This government, the Iranian Ayatollah, throttles the Internet. They completely control the message being brought into Iran and it floods the zone with propaganda.
So I am cautious with these claims, but the direction is unmistakable.
Pressure is rising and fear is not working the way it used to.
So what is driving the people to risk life and limb? Persecution.
What is it that is driving them?
Economic pain that never ends.
They are burdened by an inflation that is incredible.
The younger generation is refusing to follow the script that has been put in place by the Ayatollah.
There is now moral outrage after the crackdowns of what happened. And we saw the fissures in the, the fissures, the cracks in this governing ruling class in Iran when the women were going out and protesting.
And now it's grown because you're now seen in some cities, the police themselves are joining the protesters.
And what we're seeing is a population that's learned that the regime can't gel everyone forever.
Now, the regime's playbook is actually classic number one, intimidation.
They are going to arrest, they are going to beat. There are going to be mysterious disappearances in hell. They're already turning guns onto it in the military or their royal guard, as they put it into there.
They already have the information controlled. They are thralling any attempts to have free access to media, whether it's via Internet, social media or not.
They have this. They control the state media, the TV narratives are all controlled. And they're going to have forced confessions under torture, under threat of life.
And their next playbook, divide and conquer. Label descent as treason. Blame the outsiders, blame the U. S, blame Israel, blame whoever.
And then the exhaustion. They will try to drag this out until the people are too tired or too weak to keep showing up. But we are seeing this in historic times going on two weeks.
So let's take a look and, and do an honest assessment. What is at stake for the Iranian people?
What is at stake for the regime?
Because this is not about order. It is about the survival of the AA in this extreme Islamist state.
If the public learns mass descent can work even once it breaks the spell, then this regime has two problems. It can't solve with slogans. It can't solve with, with tyranny. It can't solve with violence.
Legitimacy and loyalty. And that's what the people are finding, that they are saying they are no longer legitimately the rulers of Iran, that they deserve better, that they want freedom, they want to be out of this oppressive regime. And then loyalty. And the loyalty is not going to go to the regime. It's going to go to the people and the persons and the leaders that continued this protest to get a change in Iran. And that is huge, by the way. This is all remarkable.
See, I remember I was a very little girl when there was a Hostage situation in Iran.
And looking at history that unfortunately when you know the US Government under President Carter's democratic administration, they're the ones who instituted the regime change in Iran and placed Ayatollah. Huge mistake, by the way. But hindsight 20 20, but this, what we're seeing, this has the, this is the tipping point. This has the ability to change everything, not only within Iran, but it also has a domino effect or the butterfly effect, if you will.
This is the tipping point.
There are three fracture points that we are going to be looking for as we continue to watch in and pray for those people in Iran that continue. The protesting, one security force hesitation. We already seen in two cities that the police force have laid down their batons and are joining the people in the protests.
Eventually what you're going to have is the, the, the lowly military personnel, you know, the privates, this, you know, the, the corporals and such are. The troops are no longer going to be following Lockstead with the Ayatollah and his regime.
Next you're going to see fractures in the elite class because the elite class, those with money, are going to realize that their, their precious castles, their precious, if you will, stability, that foundation is rocking and where can they continue forward?
And then you're going to have sustained action by the people of Venice, of, of Iran, sustained protest. Because these protests are powerful regimes fall when enforcement and cash flow start to crack. Cash flow has been iffy and we're. We reinstated all our sanctions and embargoes, but we've already seen that there has been major cracks done when Israel and then the U. S knocked out their nuclear ability. And now it's time, now it is time for all of us to pray and give hope that the people of Iran are successful.
Of course the regime will do anything it can to stay in power.
And like I stated, there's going to be a lot more arrest. There's going to be violence, there's going to be claims that the protesters are foreign agents.
And we are going to see people who will be imprisoned, who will be tortured until they see their fallacy of their ways and confess otherwise.
But why should Americans care? It's all the way over there. It's in the Middle East. Why should we care?
Because Iran is not just a domestic regime.
It's an exporter of chaos. It is the head of terrorist organizations. It's the one who has created Hezbollah, Hamas, isis.
They are involved in all this. And their number one goal is to topple freedom. The west and especially the US When This Iranian tyrannical regime feels cordoned. They often try to create external crisises, but at this point the only thing they're trying to do is quell it. And we already heard that certain key individuals have already evacuated from Iran for safety sake.
So we're going to be keeping a watch on this. And this is a time for hope because as Venezuela shows what it looks like when the top cracks, Iran is showing what it looks like when the people refuse to break, when they refuse to bend the knee to further tyranny.
We have two different countries, two different parts of the world, but the same truth. Tyranny is never as strong as it looks, is strong until it is not.
There's hope for the Iranian people and with this, if they are successful, then this is a huge shift in the Middle East.
And for the Venezuelan people, we are seeing the celebrations, we're seeing the joy and we're seeing the hope that for this country once again will have their rights restored, their power restored, their voices restored.
So this is a time to celebrate. It's also a time for hope and it's a time for us, US people to bond together in, in giving our voices and continue to strengthen those individuals that want to make the change that is necessary to free the Venezuelans, to help those that are protesting to make the change in Iran.
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